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4.0

72% would recommend to a friend

(126 total reviews)

Thomas Hutchinson

89% approve of CEO

80% positive business outlook

Belvedere Trading has an employee rating of 4.0 out of 5 stars, based on 126 company reviews on Glassdoor which indicates that most employees have a good working experience there. The Belvedere Trading employee rating is in line with the average (within 1 standard deviation) for employers within the Financial Services industry (3.7 stars).

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126 reviews
3.0
Mar 11, 2020

Passionate Discourse

Recommend
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Pros

Belvedere does a lot of things the right way in regards to software architecture. Their patterns generally make sense and are uniform across teams when possible. There is an attitude of doing what's best for the company rather than what's best for just you or your team. The compensation is solid. The bonus scheme is overcomplicated to make it seem transparent but it always comes out to a number I'm content with. Most employees are a lot of fun to work and hang out with. I've made a lot of friends at Belvedere.

Cons

Belvedere's culture has undergone a subtle change over the years. There is still a lot of drinking and recreation but it is now officially sponsored by the company in a way that makes it feel more sterile. In years past, when going out for drinks after work it felt like I was among friends who happen to work together. But then they formalized things that used to happen organically, like team building events or happy hour with job candidates. They even installed a bar in the office. The result is that now I'm very much aware that I'm out with coworkers, not friends. It's social but still a work event. Better than nothing but it doesn't foster the same kind of bonding. My outlook of the company's future is negative because of the way the tech side is run. The wrong people were put in charge. The CEO has some grave misunderstandings of how the company works at a low level because he doesn't talk to anyone outside of his inner circle. Consequently, all of his decisions clash with the reality of a prop trading firm. The CTO has good intentions but is easily manipulated by others. Below them managers (at all levels) fall into one of three categories: 1. Absentees. People who have already earned enough prestige in the company to be set for life. That's why they can abuse the unlimited time-off policy and get almost no work done. When they do come into the office they have to act like they deserve their position so they order everyone around and criticize their subordinates. It does nothing but illustrate how out of touch they are with the world of software development. 2. Time-wasters. People who have demonstrated just enough competence to be given a wide leash when choosing what they want to work on. They now spend all of their time on pet projects that they think would be fun programming exercises, yet deliver no value to the company. When their project ceases to entertain them they hand it off to another team that doesn't want it because it is at best unproductive, at worst riddled with bugs. 3. Geniuses. People who were skilled software developers so after a couple of years they were promoted into management. They have no management skills. No leadership qualities. They just want to write code. Unfortunately that's not in their job description anymore and you can see the sadness in their eyes. They spend their time struggling to run a team and trying to find ways to touch code without micromanaging. They were offered a job that would be foolish to turn down but that they were not fit for. Ultimately their poor management skills cause a lot of tension and anger within the firm. Then further down Belvedere's hierarchy you have the role of business analyst. I suspect the CEO read in a Forbes magazine that business analysts were the key to increasing profits so he hired about a million of them. Your typical business analyst likely just graduated from college and didn't know what to do, so they searched for “analyst” on LinkedIn and found Belvedere on page 32. They had no previous knowledge that such a job existed. Belvedere set up this role under the assumption that traders and developers speak such different languages that they need an interpreter/babysitter. You would think someone who understands both trading and tech would be the most valuable employee in the company, right? Unfortunately because of the demographic that's recruited the business analysts at Belvdere understand neither. This lack of qualifications turns their role into needless bureaucracy that causes more harm than good. There is an endless churning of analysts as they quit to pursue jobs they're actually interested in. Somewhere mixed into all of this are developers. Developers don't get along with each other at Belvedere largely because of “code police”. On almost every team there's at least one developer who just binge watched House M.D. for the first time and now they think they are justified in being abrasive as long as they are trying to excel at their job. They will leave passive aggressive comments in the code review system and delay projects for what the rest of the software world would consider trivial style choices. The company embraces this in a naive pursuit of perfect code while making all of their developers hate each other. Lastly there are quality analysts. The wildcards united only by their mutual distrust of developers. But interestingly enough, they have the most camaraderie out of any role at Belvedere. They realized early on that any bugs in the software will be blamed on them, so they meticulously document everything they do and follow all recommended procedures just to avoid that blame. The biggest indictment of the tech side however is that 90% of its members don't care about option trading. They don't even understand how Belvedere makes money. That's why the quality of software has been suffering. Most tech employees are hired fresh out of college with no background or interest in finance. This is also why Belvedere spends most of its time refactoring existing software components instead of building new features. You don't need domain knowledge to get rid of technical debt. Any time business logic is changed there is massive overhead in educating everyone involved. So they fool everyone into thinking that getting rid of technical debt is a productive use of time under the guise that the firm is growing and things need to be made more scalable. The catch is that Belvedere doesn't seem to be growing by any relevant metric except the number of office floors they rent. New trading desks are very slow to take off and new employees hired only replace the ones that quit. They really don't need to be concerned with scaling up the software.

1.0
Jan 3, 2018

Honest appraisal

Anonymous employee
Recommend
CEO approval
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Pros

Incentive compensation is pretty interesting and let's you take a risk on the future Good events to develop team spirit with others Most co-workers really try to make this a good experience

Cons

The 2-3 people running this place took it as far as they could. Now they are hurting the company because they have no new ideas. Lack of innovation Technology is not cutting edge Focus is only on 1-2 products that make money. Ignoring the rest of the marketplace. Probably because those tasked with growing revenues have blinders on and cannot look past what they know. Focus on petty issues by management and managers. Focus on more strategic things. Complacency and laziness is becoming the norm. Not hungry anymore. Insiders often compare this place to a wannabe DRW. Not even close to DRW circa 2000. Cannot make decisions Talent management and recruiting focuses mainly on college grads. Experienced hire are non existent or an after thought Churn and burn model. Senior people have made their money, so no motivation to do more.

3.0
May 13, 2021
Recommend
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Pros

This review is for software engineers, specifically those coming right out of university. - Party culture. Everyone touts a "fun, startup-like" culture these days and it typically means that there's one ping pong table in the break room that you wont ever be able to use without looking like a slacker. Belvedere actually has the culture that other companies pretend they do. Constant open bar events, unlimited keg access, a lavish 20 year anniversary trip to Ibiza, sponsored intramural athletics (don't worry you get to drink at those as well), the whole nine yards. It's not uncommon to see people grabbing their first brewski at 1:30pm on Friday on their way to the dept-wide tech meeting. If you're extra busy that day you and your boys will start pouring up no later than market close at 3:00pm. The culture is the non-material compensation that makes up for the shortcomings of the job. I've heard the company described as "fratty" and a "boys drinking club". That's certainly an exaggeration but I would consider those to be positive adjectives anyways. - Fun coworkers. There's a lot of fun young people to work with. I think that Belvedere does a great job with behavioral interviews to filter out people who would ruin your work experience. Everybody is very nice and there are a lot of social events for you to get to know them. - Workload. Most weeks you will get in at 9:00 and be out by 5:00. I know many other fintech jobs have much greater demands but at Belvedere most people work a 9 to 5 most of the time. - Prestige. Belvedere won't pay ya the big bucks but Belvedere looks good on your resume when applying to companies that will pay market value. Belvedere is a great stepping stone if you want to work anywhere else in the fintech space.

Cons

- Developers are second class citizens. I was once told by a trader that developers cost the company money and traders make the company money. It's not often that it's said to your face in such terms, but everybody knows that devs aren't the top dawgs. - Relatively poor compensation. Management doesn't say it with words that devs are second class citizens, they say it with numbers. The mantra at Belvedere is that you'll be making the big bucks "later". It's very cheap for management to pay people in "laters" but if you talk to people who have been at Belvedere for a while you'll realize that "later" never came for them, and it never will for you. The expected salary progression put forth by recruiters isn't even close to the reality. Don't be surprised if you and everyone else in your class is at or below the lower end of the "expected" 1, 2, and 3 year marks for compensation that will be dangled in front of your face. Compare this to any Tier 2 market makers (IMC, DRW, Optiver, etc.) or big tech companies (Facebook, Amazon, Google, etc.) on levels.fyi and you'll see that Belvedere pays new devs about half as much. To any active employees: don't be afraid to add more data points to levels.fyi, transparency will help any non-partner. - The actual work sucks. The culture needs to be this fun to keep anyone willing to put up with the work when they pay you so little. Financial software is horribly boring to write. To understand the work you're doing you would need trading experience so the work has no context, the end users are ungrateful, and the support systems are scant. Systems are constantly breaking, your "product expert" will frequently misconfigure settings and take up your time asking you how to do their job, and you will constantly be chatted about urgent issues that are actively costing the company money. Any of your mistakes that make it into prod will be assigned a dollar value for how much you cost the company, but you will never get a number for how much profit your excellent skills generated for the company. Don't forget: it's the traders that made that money, and the devs who cost them money. New features are deployed at night, so your chat will be blowing up during dinner every time a new problem is discovered, which is often. - Turnover. 30% of employees in the tech dept that were employed on Jan 1st 2020 no longer work at Belvedere. I would estimate about half of those were voluntary departures. Recruiters tout that Belvedere has a median stay of 4.5 years, but after only 20 months less than half of the 2019 class of university hires are still employed. Belvedere is quick to let devs go, and refuses to pay market rates for the high performers, so they leave to get what they're worth at other companies. Belvedere's insurance policy against the mass departure is that they don't teach you any marketable skills. All you learn at Belvedere is how to deal with the idiosyncrasies of the undocumented, cruft-laden software that management will never allocate any resources for because they're always going to staff the greenfield project that might not ever even make it to production - Horrible product management. Don't be surprised if you spend weeks working on a feature and after you finish it you're told that the traders were never certain that they wanted it in the first place. Product is supposed to be the bridge between tech and trading, but they don't know jack about either so they only make things worse. I'm convinced they keep scheduling endless meetings so that they seem busy and they aren't all fired for taking money and actively slowing down the software development process. - Vindictive non compete. Should, heaven forbid, you be fired, Belvedere will forbid you from working from other trading firms (where you're most qualified) for a long time and offer you no pay to do so. The non-compete has been described as "the rawest deal outside of Philadelphia" by a veteran of the industry. The non compete is quite unusual and harsh for new hires, but I've heard through the grapevine that it isn't as bad as it appears if you give Saul a call.

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