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      3.8

      69% would recommend to a friend

      (282 total reviews)
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      Eric Scriven

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      66% positive business outlook

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      3.0
      Mar 2, 2021

      Great job for someone just out of college with no experience... not a great job for anyone else.

      Digital marketing specialist
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      Pros

      The people here are truly kind, good, hardworking folks. There is definitely an effort made by management to foster a supportive and fun environment. You are allowed a fairly high degree of autonomy (depending on the manager) which definitely reduces stress and makes the work less soul crushing.

      Cons

      I left this role after being offered another position with a different company. I personally saw success in this role but I can see why many do not... In the DMS role you are essentially a glorified cold caller/ telemarketer. The companies often boasts about the opportunity to “move up” but what that really means is a small pay raise and more responsibility. The only people truly making money in the sales positions are the sales managers. To put it simply, your job here is to make your manager money. The company pays virtually minimum wage and regularly tosses out people who don’t perform. The turnover here is insane. I’ve seen so many good people leave or get fired. The company doesn’t bother investing in people with potential, you either make sales or you’re gone. If you start failing to hit your sales goals, the managers often stop caring about you. It’s not out of spite, simply the nature of the business. A key thing to remember is that you’re only of use to management when making them money. Had a bad month? Sucks to be you. You generate 100% of your own leads and are paid in deals your managers close, not in qualified appointments you set. If you have a manager/ assistant manager who under performs, you in turn make no money. If you make no money, they give you the boot. This happens pretty frequently, hence the high turnover. If you can, look for work elsewhere. There are a lot of entry-level tech sales jobs that pay a living wage base salary AND have a competitive commission structure. I wish I had started looking at my options a lot sooner before staying so long. I could have been making a lot more money.

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      Logical Position Response
      5y
      Thank you for taking the time to review the position you had at LP. This is how we continue to get better each and every year! We’re glad that you felt our company offered a kind and supportive environment, we pride ourselves on this. I want to touch on a few points that you made: * Good only for people out of college: While many LP’ers started right out of school, a high number of our BDE’s, ASM’s, Managers, GM’s, Directors, and above, started in the same position as you (DMS), and did so after working years in other industries. They were able to see a clear path to “move up” and have benefited from our amazing growth. * Small pay raise with more responsibility: Many of our Sr. DMS’s are making nearly 6 figures, and our BDE’s average over that number. Neither of those roles require additional responsibility and are extremely autonomous. * Tosses people out who don’t perform: Yes, if the company is losing money, over time, we must part ways. These expectations are clearly laid out many times before and during employment. * High turnover: We’re VERY proud of the progress we’ve made over the years. Today our turnover is only half of what it was just one year ago, and well below the industry average. We take this very seriously, and have doubled down on training, and pride ourselves on setting proper expectations prior to employment. Sales isn’t for everyone, but I’m glad that you recognize our effort to foster supportive and fun environment. At the end of the day, it’s unfortunate that you didn’t find a long-term home here at LP. We appreciate your feedback and hope that the skill and industry knowledge you learned during your time here will serve you well in your new role. -Eric Scriven, VP Sales and Marketing
      3.0
      Feb 23, 2021

      Good job if you already have sales experience in marketing.

      Digital marketing specialist
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      Pros

      Kind people, cash prizes, they try to make work fun.

      Cons

      If you don't already know digital marketing, the training process will not help get you to a place where you can stay there long term. They have a rotating sales team, if you come in the door its probably because they fired their weakest links the week before to get you there. From the point I started to when I left, only 7 people who worked in the office were the same as when I started, everyone else had been let go and new people came in for them to test out. The revolving door keeps spinning. The management makes money and doesn't worry about who gets the boot through the process, as they can pay you $12 an hour for a few months and then fire you, to start over again with someone else. If you do a good job and make an abundance of sales (which is not an easy goal at some points during the year, but the goal is never adjusted during hard times), you get increased in pay up to like $17/hr with commission (which is a small percentage of the sale), or residuals. This job is only best for people with prior experience in digital marketing, as their training teaches you more about what digital marketing is than how to sell it to people. But the only thing that will keep you working there is if you know how to sell it to people.

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      Logical Position Response
      5y
      Thank you for your feedback. We’re sorry you didn’t find the training for sales as helpful as the training for digital marketing. This is something we are working on, and we’ve always taken the approach that we would rather have a team of highly skilled digital marketers than people who are just good at selling. Sometimes, it’s about investing in people with less experience, giving them the training they need, and letting them demonstrate their abilities. A large percentage of our sales team has been with us for well over a year, and some since the beginning. We do not like having to let people go and we do everything possible to avoid it. It’s significantly more expensive to onboard a new person than to train and work with a current employee to get the numbers where they need to be. At the end of the day it’s a performance based role and sometimes it’s just not a good fit. We wish you well, and thank you for your feedback.
      5.0
      Feb 16, 2021

      Awesome Company (Get what you put in!)

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      Pros

      -Great Culture -You get what you work for. The former employees that are complaining are the ones that are new to sales and don't understand that sales is tough and requires a lot of adjustment at times! -Once you hit above around 7k, your pay increases. Your pay depends on your sales. There is no one else to blame if you can't succeed. -Snacks/Coffee -Everyone is friendly and helpful! -If you read about the CEO and his mission, you can tell he really cares for the employees!

      Cons

      -Can get loud in the office at times. -Need to teach the platform to the sales reps in order to stir up a good convo with business owners.

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      5y
      Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. I’m glad you mentioned the pay increase once the initial goal is met. You’re right about it sometimes being a bit noisy, but we wouldn’t trade our culture for anything. Our new HQ will provide a bit more quiet space for small team/group collaboration. We appreciate everything you do!
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